NO. The Sea Peoples is the name given by modern scholarship to a group of allies who caused havoc among the nations of the Eastern Mediterranean including Egypt which they invaded at least twice in the 2nd millennium BC. @Hanslune: Of course you do. Thou shalt not put words in my mouth. It is a short text, since it is only a surviving summary, the original is lost. March 2013 "Story" of course is the Ancient Greek meaning of μῦθος . Historical-critical. On the other hand I don't believe in Joseph Smith's golden tablets but many deluded Mormons do. According to researchers, some 3,000 years ago, the mysterious ‘flourishing’ Bronze Age civilization from the Eastern Mediterranean called the ‘Sea Peoples’ suddenly vanished from history. NO. NO. April 2019 August 2016 Next publication will cover the topic of Platonic myths. LOL Once you start reinterpreting P. you basically can justify everything. The lack of actual evidence is the true death of the idea of Atlantis. Yes, I take Julius Caesar's writings literally. One of these days Atlantis will show up where it is least likely to be found. Well, at least they decided that you're not too ugly for television, and that your speaking voice is good enough not to drive lthe audience away. No arguments? Historical-critical. This can be "just a story", but it can be so much more ... it even can be a true story. For this, I only can beg for your patience. Is it really so difficult to admit that there is an open question and the answer still has to be given?! One website(h) describes the Sea People as groups of dispossessed raiders driven by hunger following crop failures resulting from climate change. You did the before Franke once people don't want to talk about the theoretical meaning of words and your interpretation of Plato and start to question you on the real evidence. recognized as being not true in Plato's time. Please, allow me to be rude for the sake of the nature of the exchanges you all have here. Prior to the development of these Bronze Age seafarers there was a history of Northern Boat-peoples who gradually expanded globally after the last Ice Age. Conspiracies In fact there is a school of thought that believes that the widespread societal disintegration was more the result of environmental factors rather than the depredations of the Sea Peoples(ag). November 2020 He was Oscar nominated as a producer, not a director (Twist of Faith, 2004, Best Documentary)- however, his directing work has also been in the documentary field. From studying the Meropis story and comparing it to the Atlantis story, there can be much learned about and from the differences. My search for Atlantis has all been with the mind's eye, which is very cheap versus the financial requirements in seeking Atlantis with physical eyes and for the palpable proof of a materialistic nature. And therefore, the 9000 years of Plato's Atlantis could fall into the same category: Not an invention, but a mistake, common at that time. Projects In January 2016 he wrote an article(r) that would seem to contradict the idea of Northern European ‘Sea People’ invading Egypt, for the simple reason that sailing boats were not developed in Scandinavia until around the time of the Vikings! June 2016 May 2010 Quite recently Spanuth’s ideas have also been echoed by Walter Baucum in his Bronze Age Atlantis[183]. It should be interesting to see who they use as a talking head. Wasn't he a true believer like yourself? What was the one about if you just change the date, the location, the gender, and the moral character then Cleopatra was the real King Arthur? Sea peoples were 1200 BC give or take 50 years either side and their origins are all guesswork. Historical-critical. etc. According to Raffaele D’Amato & Andrea Salimbeti [1152.20], the Denyen were one of the major groups of the Sea Peoples and have been known in ancient sources by different names; Danai, Danaoi, Danaus, Danaids, Dene, Danaids, Danuna. These questions have not been answered in an sufficient way, until today, neither positive nor negative. Historical-critical. Since every fringe show for the last 40 years is a rehash of the original In Search Of it will be interesting to see them simply repeat all the same stories that were in the original series just like Ancient Aliens does. The phrase was later popularised by another French Egyptologist, Gaston Maspero (1846-1916). This can be "just a story", but it can be so much more ... it even can be a true story. This is confirmed by other ancient authors, e.g. But you misinterpret my intent on why I posted as a reply to you. has to be a "world-wide" civilization. Is that about it? Atlantis Christ’s idea was also supported to varying degrees by Theodor Gomperz, Spyridon Marinatos, John V. Luce, Herwig Görgemanns >and Ulrich Hofmann.<, Cyprian Broodbank in The Making of the Middle Sea [1127] argues that the Sea People “never actually existed as a single people. "A real story" is simply a story that exists. Is the name of that elephant: No evidence? This can be easily resolved by your FINDING Atlantis. We may also earn commissions on purchases from other retail websites. Then why should anyone believe it is real? What is all the confusion about, the civilization we call Atlantis was destroyed when Santorini blew up and ended what we call the Minoan, an Aegean bronze age civilization. June 2012 Historical-critical. @Hanslune: Meropis is not referring to Plato's Atlantis. So stop jabbering and go find it. Archaeology Julius Caesar? NO. April 2016 On the other hand Egerton Sykes was of the opinion that the Tuatha de Danaan were refugees from Atlantis, an idea he expressed in his 1949 edition of Ignatius Donnelly’s Atlantis. Having spent most of my adult working life, involved, in way way or another with motion picture and television production, I can tell you that you were treated very unprofessionally and the "Oscar nominated auteur" ( who I wished you'd named ) would never be able to pull such crap in a REAL production. YOU take Julius Caesar's writings literally?! May 2011 It's set far enough in the past that, like Atlantis there were no witnesses. Of course, this is wrong. There is a claim that the Sea Peoples also attacked Mycenaean Greece on two occasions and that Athens survived both(ae). Thucydides? : November 2015 However, they also knew that this proof would also be subject to their remembering not to drink too much water of forgetfulness during their subsequent reincarnations, and the probability of recalling just enough to trigger all their memory back. Great film TMS How "People of the Sea" Came to Be The Egyptians originally coined the name "Peoples of the Sea" for the foreign contingents that the Libyans brought in to support their attack on Egypt in c. 1220 BC during the reign of Pharaoh Merneptah. The Sea Peoples’  exact origin continues to be a matter of intense speculation(ad). October 2015 (x) Is the historical core big enough to call Atlantis real? If you want to see this in any other way, you really have to explain this. The Incursions of the Sea Peoples The Battle of the Delta, 1175 BC, the Egyptians under Ramesses III battled with the mysterious Sea Peoples. I can never remember the name of the guy that said this one, not when I need to, anyways. It looks to me that they want their own camera an sound crew. Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History. Another Atlantis Rising forum(e)on the subject  is also worth a look as is another illustrated site(f) which includes a map of the  homelands of the Sea People. October 2011 July 2012 The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair, Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar, Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx", The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf. NO. He wrote Atlantis was in the western Mediterranean and so we now know as fact were the 1200BC Sea People. Historical-critical. If we had any reason to suppose that an Island of Atlantis existed then we wouldn't have any evidence that the so called Sea peoples didn't come from there. Historical-critical. Apparently, since no one has really provided the necessary proof of Plato's Atlantis, a proof to satisfy both the cons and pros, the experiment to prove the immortality of the soul is still left incomplete, like the story of Atlantis. January 2017 It took me three years to read through all the literature about Platonic Myths *and* to make up my own mind on this topic. But only when Plato reincarnates in our times to finish his Critias, and writes the Hermocrates, and the Philosopher dialogues. As noted earlier: Endless mental masturbation over Atlantis your response is an excellent example of this. NO. Was that the definite end of a longer climate change, that started earlier and forced people to move from areas now stricken by drought? Then, I wonder why you talk of the Greek word "mythos". etc. Yet others comment on Plato's story so there would still be mention of it - the Roman's commented on the story and a parody play/story about it called Meropis was written too. The “Sea Peoples” have long been suspected of playing a key role in ending the prosperous Bronze Age in the eastern Mediterranean, and plunging many societies into prolonged dark periods. December 2018 @Hanslune: Oh, you are so totally a True Believer, aren't you... @V: He shows us once more that most ancients did not perceive the Atlantis story as an invention. Based on the paper presented by Sanford Holst at Al Akhawayn University in Ifrane, Morocco on June 28, 2005. On 4/13/2015 you wrote, in the context of Plato's story about Atlantis "IMHO he made a so-called "eikos mythos" of it". Incidentally, several ancient Mediterranean civilizations, … Frank Joseph contends that the conflict between the Egyptians and the Sea Peoples was part of the Trojan War[108.11] and has identified the Meshwesh, one of the Sea Peoples, as Atlantean[1535]. March 2010 @Americanegro: Giants March 2011 I have repeatedly explained to you why the literal meaning of Plato's dialogues is not correct. The attack ended in their defeat and captivity with many being incorporated into the Egyptian military to defend their northern border with the Hittites. July 2016 How true! The Sea Peoples are a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200–900 BCE). Then argue away as to whose opinion is closer to truth, and do not argue about truth itself. for updates on my latest projects, blog posts, and activities. We all end up dead and silently ignorant, in the end. Sea people. February 2018 God ! Last outstanding publication will be the place itself, and its embedding in known history (it is a known civilization, of course). You failed to establish the pervasion. Fall of the Hittites. The earliest would have arrived, in my opinion, soon after the great flood of 10,500 BCE. And he also, purposely, did not write the two other dialogues I mentioned. As to your comments: Whether it makes sense to search for Atlantis is an other question. And yes, I "cite myself", in order to give every interested reader the opportunity to see the arguments in detail, which (naturally) cannot be unfolded in an internet discussion forum. In a 2006 paper(ac), The Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples, Woudhuizen included some groups from the Central Mediterranean as part of the Sea Peoples. Apr 13, 2019 - Explore ty lyons's board "Sea people" on Pinterest. Ufos This does not help us so much. I'm saving screaming and shouting for that day when I'm loaded into the cattle car. 0 seconds of real effort versus decades of gibberish? Jürgen Spanuth,not surprisingly, referred to them as the North Sea Peoples[015]and offered a range of evidence from Egyptian inscriptions at Medinet Habu to support this idea. NO. Sea people Aztec warriors with Spartan and Illyrian shields. I'm an author and editor who has published on a range of topics, including archaeology, science, and horror fiction. "mythos" is any kind of statement which is not supported by any argument or evidence. August 2012 This evidence includes a variety of features that Egyptians used to portray the Sea Peoples such as types of swords, shape of ships, shields and helmets as well as hair, clothing and shaving fashions. July 2013 Also related to the carvings at Medinet Habu is an interesting study of the Sea Peoples’ ships depicted there, by the nautical archaeologist Professor Shelley Wachsmann(aj), who also offers evidence that at least some Mycenaeans were involved with the Sea Peoples(ak). You could also give them talking head footage about The House of Life. May 2016 Tony O'Connell, An A-Z Guide To The Search For Plato's Atlantis. If Wikipedia can be believed it was 1200–900 BC. Muck suggested the Atlanteans). September 2010 These shows don't even pay the talking heads very much as they expect you to benefit from book sales. The MalagaBay website has also a wide-ranging illustrated article(u) about the Sea Peoples, although without reaching any firm conclusions. The result is a global flood that obliterates much of humankind. Simply because Plato discusses many things in his invented dialogues which are meant to be real and true. April 2017 He's just another guy who (according to you) believed the Atlantis story. August 2015 11000 years old. Where are your arguments that Meropis alludes to Atlantis? Tell me Hanslune, do you read the Bible literally? The same idea is expanded on by Lu Paradise in an extensive article(v). Historical-critical. NO. Two different things. Yet this says nothing about the reality status of Atlantis. No you don't. Perhaps I'm pretending to know Plato, and just taunting you as you do others. It is more expensive for them to book a special crew just to film one person in Albany than to fly a talking head to a location where they video interview several people in a single day. April 2011 Not that it forbidden just that you do so to justify your belief. "Story" suffices. Evidence is mounting that climate change played a significant part in the Late Bronze Age collapse of civilisations in the Eastern Mediterranean region. Let me pose the same kind of questions to you, which you posed to me, and then one or more. How much time and money have you spent on physically or mentally, trying to find what Plato is all about and verifying all your hundred of thousands of words you have used in confuting others? Why "world-wide"? But what are you doing when you tell me that I'm the one pretending? You don't offer a counter-translation so we'll go with mine and certainly not its modern meaning. If Plato's writings (those that you accept and don't change) are correct then there should be evidence for a world wide civilization - but there is not a thing, nothing. Yes, I take J.C. literally. October 2016 Mental masturbation would be a case where one is excited by an original idea, meaning, self though and completely independent of external excitement. For nearly a century in the second millennium B.C., a mysterious band of maritime warriors known as the “Sea Peoples” wreaked havoc on the Mediterranean. On a sunny day , and that would work for the project they have at hand. NO. But as you correctly imply the onus is on you to provide an answer. OStrange Socrates and friends (disciples) and Plato in particular, have left proof buried in the past, which they only can provide, but only if their belief in the soul and reincarnation is true. Let me guess you aren't even looking are you? April 2015 And I have found. Historical-critical. April 2010 If you deny the easily observable truth that the story of Atlantis is a story, I'm not sure what to say to you. Joseph Morris in his thesis(m) presented to the Classics Department of Florida State University in 2006 defined the Sea Peoples as “a coalition consisting of the indigenous populations of Syria-Palestine led by the neo-Hittite states.”. January 2011 Similarly Tertullian was deluded, yet you insist on raising him as some sort of important data point: "See? Yes believing in stories IS utter nonsense. Until then, well, apparently I have more respect for the ability of ancient peoples to craft narratives than you do. They highlight the complexities involved in definitively identifying the members of the varying alliances that were loosely described as the ‘Sea Peoples’ over a three hundred year period. September 2013 July 2020 I will do a little more digging, before I make any further comment on this 'artiste'. Which was not (!) http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/zachary-quinto-history-in-search-of-1202680918/ January 2012 Several big questions following from von Christ's hypothesis are: Historical-critical. such as Tertullian, who calls Meropis a fable, and at the same time he takes Atlantis as real story. August 2011 Howdy Frank Whether the Phaedrus dialogue actually took place? Opening up the possibility of a real Atlantis is one thing. Ancient Astronauts So for the public, and this forum here, the question is open. Historical-critical. It is presented as logos in Plato's dialogues. October 2020 He glorified his victories in Gaul, and omitted what was not so pleasant. Nope Historical-critical. Wilhelm von Christ puts forward rather a hypothesis than a ready-made theory, and the background are the bold claims of Atlantis skeptics. Because it is obvious and easy to see that the story of Meropis is alluding to Plato's dialogues, esp. Erick Wright, a regular contributor to Atlantis Rising forums, has now concluded(b) that Atlantis was located in modern southern Turkey and that Atlanteans were among the Sea Peoples who attacked Egypt in 1200 BC. Before going pro or con on Atlantis, you all have better understand Plato. So stop gibbering and tell me how well you know Plato? That you now start to talk of a "world-wide" civilization reveals that you are still stuck in beliefs which can be compared to Biblical literalists' beliefs. Sorry, your conclusions are logical fallacies. So when do you expect to find physical evidence of Atlantis? Furthermore, the source of the Meropis story is explicitly mythical (a Silen). But when comparing to Phaedon and the Republic, you will find everything alluded to. No ship wrecks, no pottery, no sign of their armies, habitations or trade goods. NO. Mythology The Greeks, Egyptians, and other cultures around the Mediterranean Sea used sailing ships to conduct trade, and sails wouldn’t be used in Northern Europe until the Iron Age, during the seventh or eighth century CE.”. @Americanegro: Yes? I said I am currently in the process of publishing. Why don't all these Atlantis enthusiasts instead concentrate on looking for Plato's famous cave, where so many poor people have been trapped staring at shadows for thousands of years? Ah, did he? Although it has been argued that the Sea Peoples undertook their voyages for … April 2012 Do you read Herodotus literally? Ancient Texts You've been working on this for what 20 years and you STILL don't know where it is? The Atlantis tradition is not presented as mythos. NO. @Hanslune: All rights reserved. This is what all the authors tell us. If you are meaning mental excitement caused by reflecting on Atlantis, than it cannot be masturbation, since Plato is providing the stimulus and foreplay. (x) What is meant to be real, and what is "embellishment", as von Christ calls it, in the Atlantis story? There is some agreement that the Sea Peoples mounted two separate invasion attempts on Egypt around 1208 & 1176 BC (Facchetti & Negri). NO. NO. Another site(an) also describes the various ships of the period used by the Egyptians, Greeks and the Sea Peoples. April 2014 Plato did really mean to leave off the Critias dialogue in the middle of a sentence and therefore the story of Atlantis incomplete. Historical-critical. Sigh .... sigh .... and sigh ..... the Atlantis dialogues did not take place in reality, this much is certain. At first glance it looks odd, yet with some background knowledge these two different events could be brought into connection. Because Plato explicitly writes that the story is not a mythos. See more ideas about ancient, ancient civilizations, sea peoples. © 2010-2021 Jason Colavito. February 2017 ONLY with Atlantis, you insist that EVERY kind of interpretatrion is forbidden, that it MUST be LITERALLY true, and that it e.g. It is not the same question. Popular Culture Sounds like this is a case of one story being built on another. - why the hell couldn't the Critias have been lost as well? (x) And did Plato follow certain rules in "embellishing", or was it just "free" phantasy? On one side those idiots who say it's true and yet provide no substantial material proof, nor logical justification, in the absence of the proof, to those other idiots on the other side who are materialistic in nature, and want their 5 senses thrilled with tangible proof. Then, "story" is not the appropriate translation for "mythos". September 2011 To your surprise (I suppose) I admit that you have a point. November 2017 August 2013 January 2016 But it is not an invention, it is a mistake. But then someone will really get hurt by the truth. 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